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M83 - Who's older? ATU 80A*
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Ю.Е. Березкин, Е.Н. Дувакин. Тематическая классификация и распределение фольклорно-мифологических мотивов по ареалам. Аналитический каталог.
Summary of Motif
Each character claims that he is older and appeared before this world or (Ingush) that his father was cosmic in size.Berezkin category: Adventures: Tricks and episodes
This is of motif type Adventures and tricks and is part group 11, Tricks and competitions won thanks to deception, absurd and obscene behavior
M83 has 3 other sub-motifsM83. Each character claims that he is older and appeared before this world or (Ingush) that his father was cosmic in size. M83a. The characters are arguing which one is older. After some people tell us how long they were born, the latter says that this and that happened in his memory at that time. M83b. Two (or more) characters agree to give food to whoever has the best dream. One talks about a feast he went to in a dream (or says he was in a different world), the second admits that he ate everything alone - he was sure that after the feast, the first one would not qualify for food (which someone who finds himself in a different world does not need food). M83c. Animals argue who of them gets drunk easier. The last one falls down because he becomes drunk as soon as somebody talks about alcohol Click here if would you like to see a distrbution map combining all of M83's motifs? |
Top 10 Motifs with similar dispersal patterns
| Motif | Similarity | Motif Summary |
|---|---|---|
| F70 | 97.74% | A woman falsely accuses a man of assaulting her. |
| F70A | 95.84% | Accusing a man or young man of assaulting her (usually sexually), a woman presents fabricated material evidence (tearing her clothes, scratching her body, etc.). See motif F70. |
| F70B | 94.10% | A woman takes revenge on a man who rejected her love (but does not necessarily pretend that the man tried to force himself on her). |
| I40 | 93.97% | The rainbow is a bow. |
| B46C | 93.85% | Each of the stars of the Big Dipper is a separate character (people or animals). |
| M77 | 93.41% | The character stains another's clothes or bed with sewage or something that looks like sewage, threatens to ruin the air and accuse the other, etc.; taking advantage of the victim's confusion, achieves the goal. |
| B46 | 92.91% | Each of the seven stars of the Big Dipper is an adult male. |
| K27N | 92.81% | A young man must complete difficult tasks or win a competition in order to obtain permission to marry. The person giving the tasks is indicated in square brackets. See motif K27. |
| K27N1 | 92.58% | A character who gives the hero tasks that are impossible for an ordinary person (subjecting the hero to difficult trials), or a character who requires the suitors of his daughter to fulfil certain conditions, is the head of a community or supra-community collective and is neither a member of the same family collective as the hero nor a mythical creature. See motif K27. |
| L72B | 92.43% | Fleeing for his life, the character throws small objects behind him, which turn into powerful obstacles in the path of his pursuer. One of the objects thrown is a whetstone. (In one of the Udmurt variants, the objects thrown destroy the obstacles in the character's path). See motif L72. |
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This motif has been recorded in 48 traditions: Arabs of Iraq, Iraqi, Geez, Tigrai, Tigre, Luba (Baluba, Luba-Katanga, Shaba), (Ba)Holoholo, Tumbwe, Bena-Piana, Tabwa, Benabena-Mitumba, Zela, Bene-Marungu, Igbo (Ibo); Isoko, Urhobo, Yoruba; incl Ife), Nupe, Bini (Edo), Engenni, Chamba, Dakka, Kukuruku, Akan, Ashanti, Akwapim; Ga (Accra), Kra, Twi (Chwi, Chi), Bia: Anyi, Agni, Baule, Nsema, Simeulue, Nias, Kuki, Chiru, Falam (Hallam), Chin (Meitei =Manipuri, Khami, =Kumi), Lakher, Mizo (Lushei), Anal, Pawi (Lai), Purum, Koireng, Milhiem, Kolhen, Mru, Indian literary tradition (Vedic, Brahman, Purana, Indian Buddhism, Hinduism, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Panchtantra, Jatakas); iconography of Hindu temples, Miao (Hmong) and Yao of Southern China, Koreans, Greeks (modern), Balkarians, Bulgarians, Balkarians, Ancient Greece, Karelians, Russians: Central part of ethnic territory as in A.D. 1500 (Tver, Yaroslavl, Moscow, Kostroma, Vladimir, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod, Ryazan, Tula, Kaluga, Smolensk provinces; in case of absence in other areas also Russians in Vyatka, Perm, Kazan provinces), Uzbek, Persians, Abaza (Abazins), Ingush, Georgians, Armenians, Kalmyk, Crimean Tatars, Karaims, Anatolia Turks, Hui (Dungan) of Xinjiang, Gansu, Shaanxi, Shanxi, Inner Mongolia, Qinghai, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan (Dungan texts from Southern and Eastern China are clustered with the Chinese ones), Turkmen, Forest Nenets, Buryats: Western (cis Baikal), Mongols (Khalkha), Evens (Lamuts), Tutchone, Tagish, Inland Tlingit, Tahltan, Tlingit, Teton (incl Oglala), Mandan, Hidatsa, Comox, Pentlatch, Cahuilla, Cupeño, Pima, Papago, Mocovi; Kechua of Santiago del Estero with probable Guaikuruan substratum; Abipon, Central Tibetans (Yu Tsang, incl. Sikkim Tibetans, Tichurong of NW Nepal), Ingrians, Berbers of Algeria