M83 — Who's older? ATU 80A*

Each character claims that he is older and appeared before this world or (Ingush) that his father was cosmic in size.

Berezkin category: Adventures: Tricks and episodes

This is of motif type Adventures and tricks and is part of group 11, Tricks and competitions won thanks to deception, absurd and obscene behavior.

M83.  Each character claims that he is older and appeared before this world or (Ingush) that his father was cosmic in size.
M83a.  The characters are arguing which one is older. After some people tell us how long they were born, the latter says that this and that happened in his memory at that time.
M83b.  Two (or more) characters agree to give food to whoever has the best dream. One talks about a feast he went to in a dream (or says he was in a different world), the second admits that he ate everything alone - he was sure that after the feast, the first one would not qualify for food (which someone who finds himself in a different world does not need food).
M83c.  Animals argue who of them gets drunk easier. The last one falls down because he becomes drunk as soon as somebody talks about alcohol

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